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Red Hood: the Lost Days #ii

When Jason cries, I cry. That's merely how it works.

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feel like pure shit simply want RH lost days jason dorsum

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He misses yous, honestly, I tin tell.

Reddish Hood: Lost Days, Upshot #i

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When someone asks me if at that place always is going to exist a good Red Hood comic where he'southward just as capable and deadly as everyone dreams he tin exist.

I go that everyone yearns for a capable and deadly Red Hood. Everyone fawns over the Jason Todd who brought Gotham's crime scene to its knees in the affair of like a week in Nether the Red Hood. I'grand not here to say wanting that kind of comic is wrong considering it isn't, I'm just proverb Jason Todd has changed equally a graphic symbol. He'south not the same graphic symbol he was when he was brought back to life back in 2005.

If I wanted to stan a criminal mastermind who rules Gotham's underworld and strikes fear in the eye of criminals I'd just be a Joker kinnie. I'm being 100% serious. Why should I or anyone fifty-fifty bother with Jason Todd who by the definition of what everyone likes well-nigh him so much when I can become all of the same things from The Joker minus the daddy issues.

What? Don't believe me? Let'due south compare shall we?

Both Jason Todd and Joker are murderers

Both apply guns

Both utilise other various weapons to kill people

Both have pretty sizable criminal followings

Both are obsessed with Batman

Both have come back from the dead

Both came from bad home lives (supposedly with Joker nosotros aren't certain because they re-write his canon more than than they exercise Jason's)

Both have their canons re-written by DC just about every new comic they're in.

Both have beared the title Red Hood

Both accept a unique hair coloration/pattern

Both get enjoyment out of hurting/torturing people.

Both have used crowbars as weapons

Both have tried on numerous occasions to injure not only Batman just a multitude of Robins.

Both have engaged in elaborate plots to effort to get Batman to notice/fight them. Multiple times.

Both are considered capable killers who are very smart.

I tin keep going. I actually can. It's not hard to compare these two. Literally the only things separating Jason Todd from The Joker at this point are the fact that Jason is a conventionally attractive six-pes alpine, muscular white man and that Jason has in recent comics turned around and accepted his spot as a member of the Bat Family unit*.

It actually goes to show that, maybe, only maybe, writers similar Judd Winnick intentionally made Jason Todd accept on the mantle of The Cherry-red Hood, Joker'southward original persona every bit a villain, and gave him a literal grocery listing of similarities as a means to emphasize his villain-like behavior to serve as an in-betwixt for Batman and The Joker. And this isn't even an original thought. Many times comics accept made the comparison betwixt Jason and The Joker. Three Jokers, DC Comics Truth and Justice, Death of The Family, just to name a few.

So again, you enquire, since y'all went through all the lengths to compare the two, why don't you lot only go off in your corner and be a Joker kinnie? Well my friend, information technology's simple. I don't like the Joker. He's and then oversaturated in the DC comics market and DC seems to accept finally figured at least that office out. Jason Todd is an anti-hero who teeters between Knight in Sour Armor and Jerkass Woobie at best and falls into shades of Moral Sociopathy at worst (particularly under Winnick's penmanship) Simply Jason Todd is not The Joker. Information technology's outright blasphemy to compare the 2 in most circles, but Jason Todd is a very compelling, admitting underdeveloped character.

It doesn't help that nosotros have basically a decade of evolution for Jason Todd under Sc*tt L*bd*ll that we every bit a fandom have collectively decided to disregard. And rightfully so. By and large because RHATO and RH:O was a discombobulated mess of a story with a lot of very absurd and neat ideas that were in no way practical or truly fifty-fifty relevant to Jason Todd. L*bd*ll tried to make Jason into this self-insert of a 'bad male child seeking redemption' which really had no narrative follow-through because one issue you lot'll have Bruce and Jason chilling on top of a loma end Gotham eating cheeseburgers discussing how Bruce trusts Jason with Bizarro more than he does with Lex Luthor. And and then not 10 problems later Bruce is literally beating Jason to within an inch of his life. Jason even regarded how he idea Bruce didn't even hit the Joker that hard.

All of this is to say that we really don't take a truly expert narrative for Jason that isn't him literally cosplaying as The Joker and causing chaos in Gotham in Under the Crimson Hood, a freshly out of the dip Jason Todd thrown into the globe after being dead for who knows how long training to get the globe's deadliest assassinator all whilst killing countless people and sleeping with Talia,

We've been gyped of a adept Cherry-red Hood narrative for going on ii decades now. And truth be told I don't know if nosotros're ever going to become a good story for Jason Todd on par with Dick Grayson and Nightwing. They've fumbled the ball with his initial characterization in his first redemption under L*bd*ll that I don't know if we'll ever get a truly satisfying narrative for Cherry Hood as an anti-hero. For now he's literally just a murderer who Bruce let's come up with him on investigations and stuff who badmouths him at best to a 'regretable' punching handbag at worse.

When you compare Jason to characters like say Frank Castle as The Punisher, whom despite being co-oped by the American alt-right, is a much more compelling character with a amend narrative because Frank Castle knows what he is, and he isn't trying to be a hero like Jason.

With say Harley Quinn, we've had most a decades-worth of comics showing us Harley realizing that Joker has been abusing her. We've gotten to watch Harley try and fail many times at trying to plough her life around and do the right thing. To at present after years of trying to and succeeding in doing the right thing, Harley Quinn is at present a member of the Bat Family (in similar some weird-off in the corner style)

This long-winded post can be finalized by saying I don't get why everyone is then obsessed with wanting Jason Todd who is 'mortiferous and competent'. If I wanted foil to Batman who is all deadly and a criminal mastermind I'd but follow The Joker. To me saying you only liked Jason from Under the Cherry-red Hood and call back every subsequent title he'due south appeared in is OOC is like saying you similar a cover-ring of Journeying better than Journey because you lot don't like Journey.

Jason Todd is a very compelling, interesting, and likeable character despite DC Comics bombing literally every title he'southward been in since 2010. He's a nifty character who is as fascinating as he is lovable. He needs a serious re-branding because while he is a great and circuitous character, DC needs to show us and not tell u.s. how he's growing. However at the end of the mean solar day no i is going to exist entirely happy with how he's portrayed and that'due south fine. You aren't wrong for wanting the Jason Todd of y'sometime. That's just not my cuppa tea. I just want a good, 4-function story by Wayne Family Adventures of Bruce and Jason finally showtime to piece of work through their 800lbs of USDA prime-grade beef betwixt the ii of them in that fun cartoonish aesthetic because man, Bruce and Jason in WFA are both so pretty.. as well WFA is the only comic that seemingly 70-80% of the fandom is at least okay with because information technology's kitschy and tumblr-baity but at least Bruce isn't striking his freaking kids.

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I like that yj has Jason with immature Damian cause realistically they probably would have crossed paths onetime during lost days (even though they didn't). Also while we're speaking well-nigh Jason meeting people I have a hc that Steph and Jason definitely met while they were both living in the Narrows.

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I hate comic books, I love comic properties, but I hate comic books.

Comic properties have such wonderful creative potential. These are properties that are willing to just get there and be weird and be themselves push button boundaries, ya know. But the comics they're based on can be such a slog to get through.

I grew upwardly on TMNT (2003). I admire that version of the turtles. When I got older I decided to branch out and endeavour reading the IDW run of the  Teenage Mutant Ninja turtles. I was four issues in when they had a human foot not in one of the panels *Want to know what these characters are talking about? Go read the Donatello Miniseries! Information technology was a brand new continuity, what practice yous mean I already have to exercise homework for it by issue 4? I dropped information technology on the spot. If I had missed that what else could I have missed? I don't enjoy doing homework for my hobbies.

When the MCU started to get big. I was one of many who became a Loki fangirl. And about that same time Marvel decided to practice a Loki solo series. Loki: Agent of Asgard. It was proficient and I loved it. Merely effectually that time Marvel likewise did a continuity reboot, where they merged their primary (616) universe with the Ultimates continuity that way the publishers but had to make stories for one universe and everything was supposed to be staring from scratch as an easy jump in point for new readers. Except some characters were to be able to remember their old universes and Loki was supposed to be 1 of them.

This confused me. Why would do a continuity reset merely have select characters retrieve? Equally a reader, how were you supposed to know which characters did or did not call back their sometime universe. Information technology was weird, but I rolled with it. Loki had just undergone massive character arc and I was glad he wasn't getting erased. He was also dragging his new best friend, Verity Willis (a character original to his solo run and one of the best things about it) into the new universe with him. So I picked upwards The Might Thor #ane, the next series Loki was supposed to appear in, and started reading.

It sucked. Despite the reset the new Thor run started correct where the previous run had left off. In the middle of political shenanigans with characters I had never heard of before. I had no thought what was happening, only I hung on for Loki. In Loki's solo run he had get something of a neutral figure verging on heroic with some new powers to boot. And I was curious to encounter how he would squad upwards with Jane Foster as Thor. So imagine my immense disappointment when Loki showed up as a total blown villain. All of his character development gone, Verity Willis erased. Just they kept his concluding look from his solo run and some of his new powers. Information technology felt similar a betrayal and I dropped the run.

I enjoyed the movie Batman: Under The Ruby-red Hood. I got attached to Jason Todd, So I wanted to read his solo runs. Lost Days was very good, Talia every bit a mentor figure to Jason was great, right until the terminal issue where the characters went fro mother/son to jumping into bed together. It was weird gross and uncomfortable. Then I picked upwardly Ruby Hood and the Outlaws the new 52 run. That teamup felt like someone picked a agglomeration of names out of a chapeau and said "allow'southward right about them." I couldn't effigy out why they stuck together as a team when at least one of them ways always running off and doming something on their own. A Jason Todd who says you shouldn't murder child traffickers and slavers in not my Jason Todd.  And in that location was something wildly wrong with Starfire's character too. Some of those bug were physically exhausting to get through.

Over again and again this happens. Christopher Nolan's batman trilogy? Corking! Wayne family Adventures? Awesome! Batman titled comic runs be it solo or squad upwardly. Batman the grapheme is the worst part of those.

My sister and I watched Transformers Prime together It was our bonding activeness for a while. She decided she wanted to read some of the Transformer Comics also. Except the series she picked and liked kept irresolute it'southward championship at random and she couldn't go on runway of what effect to buy.

How come comic based cartoons and movies can exist so adept? But the comics they are based on can be such pains?

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I yet notice information technology interesting that Bruce'due south ideology concerning the no killing rule went every bit far as to be incorporated within how he teaches each of the robins when information technology comes to giving them physical training.

Similar currently even while I'1000 reading RED HOOD: Lost days and seeing Jason talk near the way in which Bruce taught him how to fight ( due east.g DEFEND, Boxing, DISABLE) very much a mode that has an accent on not invoking literal harm onto others only just merely incapacitating them.

I also found equally as interesting was the fact that Jason had to intermission gratis from that mindset in order for him to really pass that boundary that Bruce wouldn't dare cross, unlocking his instincts and staying true to his values and morals that he holds very close and dear to his middle.

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Then Jason Todd's Age makes no freaking sense.

So I know this topic is just going to ooze discourse but I need a freaking answer. How one-time is Jason Todd as the Red Hood? I've seen so many conflicting things online and no i seems to accept a straight answer (doesn't assist that DC Comics themselves doesn't seem to know either)

Then it's pretty much generally accepted that Jason was 15 when he died. In near depictions via comics or live activity movies like Under the Red Hood or A Death in the Family, I can clearly see that Jason is a boy in his mid teens. Non many people argue this.

But here'southward where things get viscous...

When Jason is resurrected (either from Superboy Prime in the Pre-New 52/Lost Days Arc or the Nether the Red Hood Arc) he still is xv. He's however physically the aforementioned age equally the solar day he died. And some depictions say it's only been near a yr between his expiry and the resurrection, some say it's been 5 years. Only what we have in Blood-red Hood: Lost Days does line upwardly with what we know.

You take a look here and yous can clearly encounter a fifteen-sixteen twelvemonth old boy. The next phases of Lost Days also makes sense in terms of a transition in terms of puberty/growth and development. Jason also took his dip in the Lazarus Pit at this point.

I tin can have a expect at this and say yes. This is a kid anile anywhere betwixt 17-eighteen. I think the Lost Days comic mentions he'south about 16 or and then in this part of the comic and I can encounter it too.

And this is correct before he dons the Red Hood persona. Now Jason I'd debate looks virtually 17-xviii at the VERY low stop of this. And this preludes Under the Red Hood.

At present I wanna take a cursory moment to focus on the Decease in the family unit movie. Because this is where things just become an absolute fucking trip. Depending on which route you lot take Jason is nevertheless 15 during the events of Bosnia (from the UTRH Universe) and is out of commission for at least a few months to recover.

Whether you chose to have Jason become Red Hood (or Red Robin, or Hush) Jason STILL packs on at to the lowest degree vi-7 inches what must be at least twoscore-50lbs of straight muscle in the span of MONTHS. Because his build nonetheless isn't all that disimilar from his final build in Nether the Blood-red Hood. And canonically merely a few months has past. And so Jason tin can't be older than 16-17 during the events of this picture show. I just.. I know boys have gone through their growth spurts similar a truck hitting them at 120mph from a skyscraper but DAMN.

This brings usa to Under the Carmine Hood. Now knowing what we know at present Jason must be in the ballpark of 18-xix years old when all of this movie happens. And I just discover it shocking.

Jason'due south official stats at this time are that he'southward 6'0 and 225lbs. Jason's an intimidating dude. And that makes him just slightly leaner than freaking Bruce. And information technology simply boggles my mind. I cannot see it. Like my mind can't embrace that all of this was washed by some 18 twelvemonth old.

I guess it's me ranting virtually artistic licensing. I hateful shit in RHATO'southward Jason's at a bar in Colorado drinking a beer. Granted I know information technology's confirmed that Jason had spent time with the All-Degree and gained his magical abilities through them when he was 19 or and so I recall?

Nosotros besides know that Rocafort's run as artist for RHATO followed after the events of UTRH. And so it makes sense that Jason is 21 or at the very to the lowest degree 20. (Yes I know Jason is drinking underaged if he's 20 simply this kid singlehandedly brought the Gotham criminal offense scene to it's knees in a matter of weeks. Obtaining a good fake ID is a cakewalk)

But then we get to Rebirth Jason (Dexter Soy) and he looks almost younger? And I know Rebirth is AFTER Rocafort's run. So must exist realistic to think that Jason is at least 21-22 Physically at this point? I don't even..

Also considering of the Lazarus Pit isn't Jason too supposed to historic period slower? As well equally getting some blazon of healing factor???!?

Look. If someone who can actually keep a rails on how would this man is please tell me. I'm really dislocated and trying to write a good historic period for Jason is a pain in my ass.

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"Cradle for a cat, wolfe looks back, how many angels can yous fit upon a friction match? I wanna know why Hemingway cracked. Sometimes, truth is stranger than fiction"

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"I desire him to know it was me."

I've got feelings about Jason and Bruce's relationship, so let's talk virtually it. As always, I'm mixing up my ain continuity cocktail of pre-crisis and post-crisis and adding just a footling splash of headcanon for color.

The year is 1984. The comic is Batman #368

Nosotros all know this issue as the debut of Jason Todd as Robin. More than accurately, information technology's his outset appearance every bit an official Batman-sanctioned Robin. (See #366 when Jason steals Dick'south uniform and flies to Guatemala).

Anyhow, this effect starts with the first and (to my knowledge) the last voluntary and consensual passing of the Robin mantle. Isn't that fun?

Jason is ecstatic and goes to change into his newly ancestral colors while Bruce and Dick exchange misty-eyed nods. There's fatherly easily on shoulders and lumps in their throats and it'due south all very sweet.

Dick shares with Bruce a hearty handshake earlier leaving the cave. Over his shoulder he calls out one final farewell: "So long, Robin. Be neat." And when Dick'south footsteps finally fade into the shadows:

Jason shares his worries nigh non receiving whatever credit for his acts. He knows that this is selfish, and he admits to being ashamed that he fifty-fifty said it. He's being incredibly honest and vulnerable with Bruce, which is something I experience we don't get to meet often enough.

Bruce gives an obligatory speech nearly how Jason will be serving justice and saving lives. He says that with this job, there is no room for a big ego. Simply he too says "No need to be so difficult on yourself, Jay."

And in a shocking twist, Skilful Parent Bruce Wayne is equally honest and vulnerable and shares this niggling chestnut with his son:

Bruce lays a gloved paw on the new Robin's narrow shoulders, and tells him in earnest that information technology gets easier. He says that with every innocent life saved, that need for recognition feels less urgent. With every wait of relief and gratitude on the faces of would-be victims, the glory seems less important.

(and stepping into headcanon land:)

Jason takes a deep jiff, and puts on a smile. "I know you're probably right, Batman... most it getting easier?"

His grinning sinks into something closer to a grimace. "And I want to believe all that stuff y'all said about seeing the gratitude on people's faces, and--"

Jason's bitter laugh comes out as a huff. He looks down at his easily which fidget nervously in their make new light-green gloves. When he continues, his voice is little more than a whisper.

"I want to help people... I-I want to be great, just like Dick said." Trying and failing to encounter Bruce's gaze, Jason throws his eyes up to search the vaulted shadows of the cave. "It merely sucks that no one will know information technology'south actually me."

Bruce is reminded, not the terminal fourth dimension, that Jason is not Dick. The same lectures he gave the first Robin won't work half so well this time effectually. Jason'south situation is fundamentally unlike. The kid is stepping into a pair of well worn shoes that won't be easy to fill up. Bruce sighs, and pulls his son into a hug.

"You're commencement with a rich legacy backside you, Jason, and no i can ever know who'south behind that mask." He rests his chin on top of the lad's head, and squeezes as if he could draw out every last scrap of cocky-dubiety. "... merely I'll always know information technology's really yous... and I will be so proud."

(and stepping back into canon:)

Vii-odd years have passed, and a countless number of odd things accept happened. Jason was gone. He was expressionless... but so he comes back.

He comes back to loneliness, and hunger, and so much pain. He comes back to a earth that he does not recognize, and he comes dorsum to a Batman who is then different from the one he left behind.

Talia has been warned of the and so-called "Pit Madness". Her father has told her of the rage and darkness that now live in young Jason's heart. He has told her that she's unleashed a pestilence upon the globe.

Only her father is wrong. It is not rage that burns in Jason's heart, only a cold and calculated revenge.

One week later, and all the pieces are in place: Batman is six blocks away, staking out a bunch of Penguin's men, waiting on a weapons seller who will never show. This gives Jason just enough time to plant the bomb on the Batmobile. A combination of Lead Azide and RDX placed six inches backside the back left tire. Every bit shut as he can become to the fuel line. And and so, all there is to do is expect until the bastard arrives.

Jason watches as the Bat makes his approach. He glares through the slatted window with his thumb hovering just above the button. He waits for his moment.

Batman walks wearily toward the auto. Towards safety. Towards home. He doesn't nonetheless sense any danger. He doesn't even so see Death lurking before him. He opens the door.

You fabricated this happen. Jason thinks, his thumb pressing every and then sightly upon the trigger.

Yous.

And and so it happens. Batman enters the vehicle and the time has come.... but Jason tin't do.

He did everything right. He planned it all with adept precision. He crossed every 't', and meticulously dotted each and every 'i', merely when the moment of his glory is upon him, Jason realizes that it isn't what he wants.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"It's not what you think," he says to Talia.

"I'm gonna impale him," Jason says, "but he'south gonna await me in the middle when he goes."

A cold wind screams across his face up, brushing his nighttime hair into fifty-fifty darker eyes.

"When I take him from this world, I want him to know it was me."

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doing his flipity shit ,killing racist terrorists...love that for him

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Do you think Jason Todd fandom is kinda toxic? Because it seems like NO MATTER what DC do, there'll always be complains. Forget the bad adaptation like Titans. Fifty-fifty Judd Winick cannot escape the criticism with how he potrayed Robin!Jason. They only never satisfied.

Distressing, IT TOOK ME And so LONG TO RESPOND TO THIS. I but moved from Washington D.C. to Seattle, which, for my non-American friends, that's 4442km away. And I DROVE THERE ALL BY MYSELF. And now I'grand trying to find new piece of work in a new city and trying to stay mentally healthy and positive. Life is exciting merely difficult and scary.

*sighs*

As someone who was a fandom elder with V*ltr*n. I've seen some of the worst when it comes to fandom beliefs. I'm talking people baking food with shaving razors and trying to requite them to the showrunners. I'yard talking leaking major plot details and refusing to take it down unless they make their ship canon (I am looking at yous, Kl*nce stans) For the most part, DC Comics has had a decades-long reputation of treating their fans like trash and not caring what they recollect and then from what I've seen, nosotros all only grumble and complain in our corners of the net about how nosotros don't similar how X comic portrays Jason Todd.

The challenge with Jason Todd is that he's your clinical anti-hero, the batfamily's Draco in Leather Pants, he's a jerkass woobie, and on top of all of that, he'due south a Tumblr sexyman. It's a perfect storm for a very fun but frustrating character to be a fan of. It doesn't assistance that every writer decides to re-invent the wheel every time Jason comes up so his canon lore is confusing at best and inconsistent every bit a standard.

I guess starting with a general brief on who Jason is and what is compatible about him with every instance he's appeared in comics/media.

Grew up in a poor family in Gotham with a dad who was a little-mid-level criminal, and a mother who dies of a drug overdose.

Survives on the street on his ain past committing petty crimes and potentially even engaging in sexual acts to keep himself alive.

Is cornered by Batman and taken in after Dick Grayson quits/is fired

Becomes the second Robin, but is known for existence the harsher, more brutal Robin.

Is killed by Joker subsequently being tortured, but somehow comes back to life and regains senses through the Lazarus Pit

Resolves himself to be better than Batman by basically existence Batman simply kills people.

Where there has been a lot of conflict in the fandom is the fact that Jason Todd is non a character that is written consistently. DC Comics loves to become with the narrative that Jason was "bad from the start" and was the "bad robin" when, yes, he has trouble controlling his acrimony, only he also nonetheless is just as invested in seeing the best of Gotham City and trying to be a positive change for the world equally whatsoever other DC Comics hero.

Where I get frustrated with the fandom is its ability to knit-pick every detail of a comic they don't like while completely disregarding everything that makes the comics great and worth information technology to read. My example being Urban Legends. To which most people had pretty mixed reactions to. I was critical of the comic at beginning but as information technology went along I ended upwardly really liking it. I have a feeling DC Comics went to Scrap Zdarsky and told him he had six issues to bring Jason back into the Bat Family unit, and honestly he didn't do a bad job. Did information technology feel rushed? Absolutely. I wish there was more development of Jason and Bruce's characters and their dynamic equally a whole. However, where I encounter a lot of people being angry and upset with Urban Legends is that they experience Zdarsky needlessly wrote Jason as an incompetent fool who needs Bruce to relieve him.

Whether or non that was the intention of Zdarsky is up to debate. Notwithstanding, and this may be controversial, simply I don't call up he wrote Jason Todd out of character at all. For as fearsome, intimidating, and crawly as Red Hood is. Jason is a grapheme who is admittedly driven by his emotions. Why practice you think he donned the part of Reddish Hood? As a response to his acrimony towards The Joker for killing him, and towards Bruce for not taking action confronting The Joker and for seemingly replacing him so rapidly after he died. Jason didn't care well-nigh being the murderous Robin Hood or for being the bloody hammer of justice against Northward*zi's and P*d*ph*les. He only cared originally most making The Joker and Bruce pay. It wasn't until he trained nether the best assassins in the world and realized most of them were horrific criminals who trafficked children and were p*dos that Talia began to realize that the teachers that she sent Jason to train nether started dying horrific and painful deaths.

The entire story of the Cheer story in Batman Urban Legends was started because it finally forced some consequences upon Jason. Tyler, aka Blue Hood's father was a drug dealer who gave his supply to his married woman and kids. And when Tyler's begetter admitted he gave the drugs to Tyler, it immediately made him fall within the self-imposed philosophical kill-listing of Jason Todd. And Jason, well, he proceeds to impale Tyler's father. When this happens, Jason is in shock. Tyler's dad fit the bill to easily and justifiably exist killed by Jason. Nosotros've never seen Jason having to deal with the consequences of being a murderous vigilante on a micro-level. When Jason realizes what he's done in that he's murdered Tyler'south dad, he'southward shocked. He tells Babs the truth. He does a rational matter because he's in daze. He doesn't know what to do, he never has had to face the consequences of his actions every bit Red Hood and now the gravity of befriending a child as a vigilante hero who kills people but fix in when he killed the father of the same kid he was only introduced to.

(Oh here'south a little aside considering it had to be said, Jason would non take been a good father or a good mentor to Tyler and absolutely should not have been his new Robin. Jason is a man who is in his early 20's (not proverb men in their early on 20's can't be proficient fathers at all) who is a brutal serial killer using the guise of a vigilante anti-hero to let him escape most of the law. the complications of having the human being who murdered your father adopt y'all and make you his sidekick are way also numerous for me to explain in a long-winded already heavy Tumblr essay mail. There's a reason why we don't abet for a story where Joe Chill adopted Bruce Wayne or one where Tony Zucco took in Dick Grayson.)

The next biggest argument is that they feel that Jason is giving up his guns every bit a means to but be invited back into the Bat-Family. To which I volition tell anyone who has that argument to become actually read Urban Legends. Already have and still have that statement? Please re-read it. Don't want to? That's okay, I will paste the images from the comic where Jason specifically says that he doesn't want to give upwardly his weapons for Bruce and his real reasoning downwards below since the comic isn't exactly readily accessible.

Jason gave up the guns considering he felt the gravity of what he had done and knows how it'll result Tyler. Thankfully his mom is live and in recovery. But Tyler doesn't have a father anymore. And Jason killed Tyler'south father. Information technology may have been in accordance to Jason'south philosophy, but it was a instance where it blurred the lines. Jason Todd isn't a black and white grapheme, simply very dark gray. He doesn't impale aimlessly similar the Joker. If you are on Jason's list you probably take done something pretty horrific, and likewise just in general, being in his mode or existence a threat to him. Heed you, in early on days of Cherry Hood and the Outlaws (Image beneath) Jason almost killed 10 innocent civilians in a town in Colorado all considering they saw him impale a monster. That being said, Jason isn't aimless in his kills.

(Also can nosotros just take a moment to appreciate Kenneth Rocafort'south art? DC Comics said we demand to rehabilitate Jason Todd'south epitome and Kenneth Rocafort said hold my beer: It'south and then SO Skillful)

That existence said, the cardinal emphasis in the story of Cheer asides from trying to introduce Jason Todd back into the Bat Family and give an actual purpose for him being there, other than him just kind of being at that place ala Bowser every fourth dimension he shows up for Go Kart racing, Tennis, Golf, Soccer, and the Olympic games when Mario invites him, is that Jason and Bruce ultimately both want the same thing. Jason wants to exist welcomed back into the family and to exist loved and appreciated. Bruce want's Jason back equally his son and wants to dearest and protect Jason. Both of these visions are shown in the last chapter of Cheer while under the effect of the Cheer Gas. It's ultimately this love and appreciation they both accept for each other that helps them overcome their claiming and win.

Jason Todd is a character who, but like Bruce, has been through so much pain and and so much hate in his life. The ii are meant to parallel each other. While Bruce chose to see the best in everyone, giving every rogue in his gallery the pick to be helped and give them a 2nd chance, hence why he never kills, Jason has a like view on wanting to protect the public, but he understands that some crimes are and so heinous they cannot be forgiven, or that some habitual criminals are due to stay habitual criminals, and demand to be put down. Merely at the end of the twenty-four hours, the two of them both try to protect people in their ain means.

I am aware that through the writings of various DC Comics authors such as Scott Lobdell and Judd Winick, the ii have had a very tumultuous relationship. And rightfully so, I am by no ways saying that Scott Lobdell writing an arc where Bruce literally beats Jason to within an inch of his life in Red Hood and the Outlaws, nor Judd Winick's interpretation of Under the Red Hood where Bruce throws the Batarang at Jason's neck, slicing his throat and leaving him ambiguously for dead at the end of the comic is appropriate because DC Comics seems to be trying everything they tin can to integrate Jason back into the family unit. That existence said, a lot of these writings take shaped the narrative of Jason and Bruce'south human relationship and have an integral effect on the way the fandom views the ii. Information technology doesn't aid that Zdarsky best-selling Lobdell's life-chirapsia of Jason by Bruce at the very end of Cheer by having Bruce requite Jason his old outfit back every bit a ways of mending the fence between the 2 of them. That does complicate a lot of things in terms of how they are viewed by the fandom and helps to crusade an even greater divide between the two.

Regardless, I want to emphasize the fact that Jason Todd is a part of the family of his ain accord. Aye, he'due south quite snarky and deadpan in about every encounter. However, Jason is absolutely a office of the family unit and has been for a while of his own volition. There's a great moment in Detective Comics that emphasizes this. Jason cares near his family unit because it is his establish family. Yes, they may be warry about him and apply him as a punching back and/or heckle him. At the stop of the day, we're debating the family dynamics of a fictional playboy billionaire vigilante whose kleptomania took the form of adopting troubled children and turning them into vigilante heroes. Jason Todd wants a family that will love and back up him. This is a cardinal definition of his character at its most basic. This was proven during the events of Cheer and is being reenforced by DC Comics every time they get the opportunity to exercise so.

Now, none of this is to say that I hate Judd Winick. I do not, I don't like the fact that in all of his writings of Jason, he merely writes him as a dangerous psychopath, and Winick himself admits to seeing Jason equally nothing much more than than a psychopath. Yet Winick is the i who the majority of the fandom clings to equally the one true good writer of Jason Todd considering 'Jason was competent, dangerous, smart' Mind, friends, Jason is all of that and I will never deny information technology. Notwithstanding, what I love about Jason isn't that he's dangerously smart of that writers either write him every bit angsty angry Tumblr sexyman bait or that they write him equally an infantile human child with a gun. There's a big contention of this fandom that has an obsession with Jason Todd being this vigilante gunman who is hot and sexy and while I definitely get the entreatment. It is very creepy and downright agonizing that all of you hyperfixate on his utilize of guns and ability to be a murderer. It is creepy and I'm non necessarily here for it.

What I love almost Jason Todd is that despite all of the pain, all of the heartache, all of the betrayal, and bullying, and decease, and anguish. Jason Todd is one of the most loving and supportive characters in all of DC Comics. Jason has been through so much in his life, simply he still chooses to love. He still chooses to see the vivid side in people. Yes, he takes a utilitarian approach and chooses to kill certain villains, simply at the finish of the day he wants to see a better world, and he wants to be loved. It takes so much courage and so much middle to acquire to love again after one has been driveling or traumatized. I would not blame Jason at all if he said fuck it and just went full solo and vigilante evil. He has every right to, simply he still chooses to exist with the Bat Family of his ain accordance. That's something that I see a lot of in myself. I take been through a lot of trauma and notwithstanding I try to be a better person myself in any way that I tin can. It is extremely admirable of Jason to allow love dorsum into his eye when he really doesn't demand to. He kills and he protects because he has this love of society. It may accept been shaped by acrimony and hatred, just Jason has found his identify amongst people who love him and value him. I call up Ducra, from Red Hood and the Outlaws put it all-time in the image given beneath.

To end this tangent, I dear Jason Todd and all of his sexy dangerousness, just it'southward far more than that. As much every bit Jason may exist unsafe and snarky, he loves his family without a shadow of a incertitude. I look upwardly to Jason Todd because despite all of his pain and all of his trauma, he notwithstanding choses to love. Jason Todd is a grapheme who is someone I love because despite all of his flaws and having a very toxic fandom, he even so serves as a character filled with and so much center and then much passion. I wish more writers would sympathize that. But for at present I will live with what I accept. Even though the fandom may be song most it'south hatred for his label, I choose to love Jason regardless because he is a character who chooses dear and credence regardless of his pain. Jason Todd is by no means a good person in whatsoever sense of the word. He has easily killed upwards of 100 people by now. He is a character who is flawed and complex but ultimately is 1 who powers frontward and finds dearest and heart in a place from so much pain and ache. That is what I love about Jason Todd. After all, to quote a famous undead robot superhero, "What is grief, if not love persevering?" Jason Todd chooses to love despite all of the trauma and hurting and grief. Aye, he is hardened in his outside, but inside there is a man with a lot of dear to give and someone who deserves the world in my eyes.

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Re-reading lost days and this jason.... his outfit.... chef'due south kiss

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How-do-you-do I honey reading your answers!

I'k trying to read as much comics as I can and I kind of have mixed opinions on Jason'south run after he resurrected, I feel similar at that place were some writers that took reward of his "supernatural psychosis" and made him look besides crazy. There are a few writers I definitely don't like similar Lobdell (and a few others I forgot at the moment) just when he was written during that era it kind of feels like they forgot that he has his own moral lawmaking despite the Lazarus Pit effecting him? Would the Lazarus Pit upshot him THAT much that information technology would cloud his sentence and make him deed confronting what he believes in? I'm not really sure if I will still feel this way later but I'm just curious what your thoughts are? Jason is still one of my fav DC characters tho lol

Hey Anon, I am glad yous enjoy my answers!

I have some sort of complicated news, the Lazarus Pit and what it is able to really do has been modified plenty, by both DC and fanon. For example, the pit cannot bring people back from the dead (there is an exception just that pit tin only bring i person back to life, but that i has nil to do with Jason), what the pit does is regenerate and heal all wounds, physical and mental. The Lazarus Pit doesn't make anyone immortal just because they took a dip in them, Ra'south kind of immortal because he bathes in Lazarus Pit water frequently and that keeps him "young".

Now another side effect that has been heavily distorted past fandom is the "Lazarus Pit Madness" which I believe is what you are referring to when y'all said "supernatural psychosis". The real proper name of the side effect is called "Lazarus Pit Rage" and its temporary and is suffered immediately after getting out of the Pit, information technology doesn't terminal long, it is like hyper reaction to a stamina shot and is often depicted in comics by having even so comes out of the pit screaming and making angry faces.

There are two versions of how Jason came out of the Lazarus Pit after being pushed. In Batman Almanac #25 (1940), Jason was depicted as screaming as he took his first jiff and in Red Hood: The Lost Days #1, he was depicted as emerging from the pit similar a sort of angel, there was no screaming.

If he were to take felt the side furnishings of the Lazarus Pit rage, he would have felt them correct there, whether he experienced that or not isn't articulate, in both bug that I mentioned above, as fast as Jason comes out of the pit, Talia takes him away and makes him run abroad because Ra's wanted to impale Jason.

What we see though, in both problems, is Jason starting to think his past life later on he has contact with data well-nigh Batman, Robin or Joker. Jason had no memories or very few because he suffered brain damage when he died and when he came back, he was in a blackout and then in a semi-vegetative state. His memories come dorsum only if something triggers a retentiveness.

Batman Almanac #25

Red Hood: The Lost Days #1

When the retention of his death, the Joker and Batman was triggered he became enraged because Joker was still live and Batman had another Robin. Whether this is due to the pit rage or merely Jason having very stiff feelings is debatable. I believe Jason's memories triggering after beingness dormant for so long and them beingness so vehement and hurtful is more than enough for Jason to react in a fierce and sporadic mode. And then, if you enquire me, there is no pit rage involved at that fourth dimension, but maybe others think differently.

Writers like Tony Daniel (Battle for the Cowl) and Grant Morrison (Batman and Robin) wrote Jason like a crazy, bloodthirsty villain. If they wanted to blame Jason's actions on the pit rage, they never made that clear (perhaps I don't remember correctly), the fashion I come across it none of those writers actually know what or who Jason and Red Hood were supposed to exist so they wrote the nearly OOC characterizations of Jason to this date.

Lobdell is a weir case because he never took the time to explain anything, we only know that he changed everything including how the Lazarus Pit really works. Lobdell wrote his story by making Talia taking Jason'southward dead body and putting him in a pit in club to bring him back to life (one time again that'southward not how those work) and after Jason came out of the pit, Talia immediately took Jason to the All-Castle so he could exist trained by Ducra.

And so having said all that I will actually answer your questions at present (sorry for always rambling manner as well much).

"…simply when he was written during that era information technology kind of feels like they forgot that he has his own moral code despite the Lazarus Pit affecting him?"

No, they didn't forget, information technology was just bad writing, at that point in time the Lazarus Pit would accept had no issue on Jason. The pit rage happens immediately after you get out of the pit and during the events of Battle for the Cowl and Batman and Robin (book 1), Jason had been back in the land of the living for more than 2 years.

In Lobdell's example, he has written Jason as existence angry after he trained with Ducra but Lobdell himself credited that to Jason being "and angry fiddling pup", "reckless", and "non being able to encounter his total potential".

Jason's moral lawmaking disappeared afterward UtRH, and was brought dorsum once more when Winick wrote Lost Days in 2010. Nosotros sort of saw a glimpse of that moral code in Urban Legends: Cheer #half dozen by Chip Zdarsky simply it was surrounded past very weird writing, maybe if we are lucky Rosenberg will selection upward on that moral code when he writes Jason next.

"Would the Lazarus Pit bear upon him THAT much that information technology would cloud his sentence and brand him act confronting what he believes in?"

Admittedly not. Because the pit rage is temporary and considering Jason was feeling anger from his very own feelings and even while feeling that way Jason notwithstanding fought for what he believed in when he killed one of his teachers that was running a child trafficking operation in Red Hood: The Lost Days #iii.

He felt angry and all that but he was functioning properly anyways, he trained and he had his own thoughts, he was in complete command of himself.

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Those are all my thoughts I hope they came out a piffling bit comprehensible, its really hard for me to answer questions in a brusk and simple way, I have to fix that…

What comics accept you lot read? I recommend Arkham Knight: Genesis past Peter Tomasi if you ever want to read an alternate universe version of Jason (it has nothing to do with comics, it is based on the lore of the Arkham games).

And hell yes! Jason is amazing fifty-fifty if he has a complicated history with bad writers. Jason Nation! whoop whoop!

I hope this answer was enjoyable, and that you have a wonderful week!

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Red Hood: Lost Days #4

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me: wow i havent read lost days in years i should bank check that out over again me: *reads information technology* me: oh right thats why i dont touch information technology

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The more I think about information technology the more I've come up to the conclusion that my trouble isn't and then much with UTRH as a story but that it truly gives no reason for Jason having the motivation that he does or for going near things the way he does. I hateful Jason goes almost straight from regaining his mind due to the Lazarus pit to trying to kill Bruce as soon equally he finds out the Joker's alive. Winick doesn't really tell why the joker being alive represents Bruce's uncaring to Jason.

I see a lot of posts about the N52 not respecting Mail service Crisis continuity but in reality post crisis comics didn't respect their own continuity. I can think of a few Robin Jason era comics that could take been used to explain why Jason might feel that mode and a few that might explain why he shouldn't expect such a thing only the way there's piddling other connection between Winick's Jason and Robin Jason other than a proper noun and a shared backstory means Lost Days and UTRH could be read as largely stand alone stories most a whole other character.

The facts if you removed his name and wrote Jason every bit anyone and merely said they were a former ally of Batman's who was angry they were unavenged you would accept the same exact story.

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saw a tweet and immediately thought of Jason

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Request: "A happy reunion" @rodentsunite

Y'all and Damian were clinging to Jason for honey life, that was the only way to describe the way the 2 of yous had latched onto him every bit shortly every bit he entered the private training room where you lot'd been didactics Damian.

"Come on, guys," he chuckled, arms wrapped around yous 2 despite his protests. "I wasn't fifty-fifty gone long this time."

"You gone too long, baba," Damian's stilted English argued, a frown puckering that adorable face of his.

"Yes, he was," y'all agreed. "Talia needs to cease sending yous abroad."

"I need this training, sweetheart," Jason sighed afterward pressing a osculation to your brow. "Information technology's the merely manner--"

"You're gonna crush the Bat," you finished for him. "I know. Doesn't mean you tin can't visit, mister. It's been iv months!"

A smile bloomed on his face once more than as he hoisted Damian up into his arms to rest on his hip. "Alright, off-white enough. I'll endeavour to visit next time."

"No next time!" Damian insisted. "You stay here, baba!"

You shared a look with Jason. And then the two of you moved as one to press dramatic kisses to the boy'due south cheeks. Whatever complaints Damian had dissolved with his composure every bit he bankrupt down into a fit of giggles, his tiny hands pushing at your faces playfully.

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